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Clan Kamikaze
09-14-2017, 05:54 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2017 05:55 AM by aloshka.)
Post: #31
RE: Clan Kamikaze
I think there was not a single moment, when they were driven by moral reasons. They didn't even want to or intend to. That's why it had to be a joke and decent troll bait. Meanwhile wild Ashura appeared.

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09-14-2017, 06:20 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2017 06:20 AM by Thylakaleo.)
Post: #32
RE: Clan Kamikaze
I think they were absolutely driven by moral reasons. The meat of the issue is what lies at the base of those moral reasons. Be it power, or their own world view, or revenge, or greed, or anger, or defense. There are countless morally objective reasons they might have fought the war.

Even if they don't line up with what you consider moral, it's still a moral interpretation. If they weren't driven by some kind of morality, some kind of goal and aim, then i don't know what they were driven by. And the point of the thread, people don't just tend to do things for no reason.

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09-14-2017, 06:44 AM
Post: #33
RE: Clan Kamikaze
Ah, so it appears you believe in this. Nvm then, let's move on.

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09-14-2017, 06:47 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2017 06:48 AM by Thylakaleo.)
Post: #34
RE: Clan Kamikaze
Well, i think the main issue was that you're perceiving "moral" to mean "good" when in reality, it's your personal system of what is good and what is bad, which is the way you make decisions. Which will vary person to person, group to group, but it doesn't make them less moral. Just differently moral.

I can't say for sure, because i'm not you. Only what i perceive from my perspective. But if you'd rather move on, them im all for that as well.

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09-14-2017, 10:10 AM
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RE: Clan Kamikaze
questing forty tiles? you cant quest non town tiles anymore.
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09-14-2017, 04:31 PM
Post: #36
RE: Clan Kamikaze
for some societies it is moral to eat your ancestors after they die. for some societies it is moral to beat your wife in such a way that it dosent leave a mark. in some societies it is moral to murder your children for committing a gravely dishonorable act.

most of these things would not be considered moral by the majority. but to each of the individual groups, it is considered a "good" thing.
morals are subjective.
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09-14-2017, 05:13 PM
Post: #37
RE: Clan Kamikaze
Leo meant: "I believe they believed that what they are doing in their perspective is good; maybe by some others it's questionable, but that's not I'm talking about (probably + I personally do not question this)"
I meant: "I think they were acting against their own standards, they were fully aware of this, but they craved for sth else without real self-justification"

Anyway, discussion is close to being serious, so it started to be boring, so let's look for an another prey to troll and smile.

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09-14-2017, 08:34 PM
Post: #38
RE: Clan Kamikaze
(09-14-2017 10:10 AM)Cordelia Wrote:  questing forty tiles? you cant quest non town tiles anymore.
Well, questing 1 tile should be enough to continue via WR. I just think that this will take a looooong time.

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09-15-2017, 12:17 AM
Post: #39
RE: Clan Kamikaze
Ok so all the current clans had motivations and philosophies and you seem to give it a rather human aspect. Lets take a look at real-life. The Roman Empire, Mongol Empire and many others. There was not really and philosophical motivation behind their conquest. They conquered for wealth and power. The first may not really be appilable to the game but the latter, maybe.

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09-15-2017, 01:28 AM
Post: #40
RE: Clan Kamikaze
I skipped a few posts tbh so I'll focus in the first 2 or 3.
I know you were joking byt to be fairly blunt, its quite enjoyable when you get pissed (not exactly the case in this specific moment but anyways).
2. The last war was completely based on moral reasons. To simplify it, the war room sucked, and players started hating it, so we wanted to make a large war to give everyone something to believe in. Be it revolutionizing the war room, or protecting the current system and the honor of their clan. And then we truly wanted a war room with bo boundaries for everyone to have fun playing in and following their own way of leading. Be it liberal conservative or whatever the hell.

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